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		<title>By: yorib</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kelly,

Few quick comments. On mtgo there are (effectively) zero transaction costs.  Not so in real life.  Selling cards either involves fixed costs (cost of postage/insurance via a stores buylist), or variable costs (e-bay).

It would be very easy for &quot;shorting&quot; to backfire on a local trader.  First, you need to factor in that the &quot;shorter&quot; needs to compensate the other person for giving up the cards for two weeks (or whatever the time frame is). For example, if Jace is worth $80 and Koth is pre-selling for$40, then a fair deal might be Jace now for 2xKoth + $5-$10 in rares in two weeks. Second, even if the price of Koth falls far, you still have to produce them within a week of release. You will need to aggressively trade for cards that everyone wants. Third, because the deal is so unusual, if Koth falls to $20 and you make $40, you will likely have alienated your trade partner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly,</p>
<p>Few quick comments. On mtgo there are (effectively) zero transaction costs.  Not so in real life.  Selling cards either involves fixed costs (cost of postage/insurance via a stores buylist), or variable costs (e-bay).</p>
<p>It would be very easy for &#8220;shorting&#8221; to backfire on a local trader.  First, you need to factor in that the &#8220;shorter&#8221; needs to compensate the other person for giving up the cards for two weeks (or whatever the time frame is). For example, if Jace is worth $80 and Koth is pre-selling for$40, then a fair deal might be Jace now for 2xKoth + $5-$10 in rares in two weeks. Second, even if the price of Koth falls far, you still have to produce them within a week of release. You will need to aggressively trade for cards that everyone wants. Third, because the deal is so unusual, if Koth falls to $20 and you make $40, you will likely have alienated your trade partner.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Albert</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My big problem with this is that pre-sale prices rarely come down to where you want them to within a week of set release. The hype is still there, usually, until the first few rounds of tournaments go by.

What you want is to &#039;short&#039; in pre-sale and deliver ~1 month after release. I really don&#039;t know anyone who&#039;d take that deal, unfortunately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My big problem with this is that pre-sale prices rarely come down to where you want them to within a week of set release. The hype is still there, usually, until the first few rounds of tournaments go by.</p>
<p>What you want is to &#8216;short&#8217; in pre-sale and deliver ~1 month after release. I really don&#8217;t know anyone who&#8217;d take that deal, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with shorting Magic cards is that the analogy begins to break down. Trade value aside, people buy Magic cards 95% of the time because they want them in a deck, immediately. People buy stock 95% of the time because they want to hold onto it for days, months, or years, and not do anything with it. You can &quot;short sell&quot; stock because you&#039;ve essentially promised the buyer that it will be in his or her hands by the time he or she needs to sell it. You can&#039;t &quot;short sell&quot; Magic cards, because they don&#039;t need ownership of the card, they need use of it.

TL;DR: Magic cards can&#039;t be short sold because the utility is in usage, not in ownership and dividends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with shorting Magic cards is that the analogy begins to break down. Trade value aside, people buy Magic cards 95% of the time because they want them in a deck, immediately. People buy stock 95% of the time because they want to hold onto it for days, months, or years, and not do anything with it. You can &#8220;short sell&#8221; stock because you&#8217;ve essentially promised the buyer that it will be in his or her hands by the time he or she needs to sell it. You can&#8217;t &#8220;short sell&#8221; Magic cards, because they don&#8217;t need ownership of the card, they need use of it.</p>
<p>TL;DR: Magic cards can&#8217;t be short sold because the utility is in usage, not in ownership and dividends.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisKool</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Specialized pre-orders are an interesting idea- only offer pre-orders on cards that you think are going to crash ([card]Time Reversal[/card] anyone?! now 2 tix or less on MTGO).  I wonder how hard it would be to set up a market within the game.  Maybe someone could code a bot to take in tix as credit and allow people to short (with a transaction fee, of course).  The trading example is also something that you can do with people you trust (especially if sentiments about the cards are correct).

I was also thinking, renting cards could similar to receiving dividends, but I have yet to think of a way to make it worthwhile for the renter AND the seller (risk of price changes and time intervals seem like my most serious obstacles).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Specialized pre-orders are an interesting idea- only offer pre-orders on cards that you think are going to crash (<a href="http://www.mtgoacademy.com/wp-content/plugins/mtgo-wp-mtg-helper/mtg_helper_cardfinder.php?find=Time+Reversal&width=223&height=310" class="jTip" name="Time Reversal">Time Reversal</a> anyone?! now 2 tix or less on MTGO).  I wonder how hard it would be to set up a market within the game.  Maybe someone could code a bot to take in tix as credit and allow people to short (with a transaction fee, of course).  The trading example is also something that you can do with people you trust (especially if sentiments about the cards are correct).</p>
<p>I was also thinking, renting cards could similar to receiving dividends, but I have yet to think of a way to make it worthwhile for the renter AND the seller (risk of price changes and time intervals seem like my most serious obstacles).<img src='http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Time Reversal&options=' style='display:none;width:1px;height:1px;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Reid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I doubt it, but it was just an example.  A better example would have been 2x Koth of the Hammer (in 3 weeks) for a Jace, TMS now.

The &quot;book&quot; value is -15.00 on the Jace side, but you&#039;re buying the use of 85.00 for 3 weeks (which can then be leveraged to trade-up and -get- the Koths when they debut, ideally at a lower price.

It&#039;s basically a form of trading &quot;on margin&quot; (not to be confused with profit margin), where you basically play with someone else&#039;s money for a nominal fee.  The problem is that if you make a bad choice (Jace tanks or Koth spikes), you&#039;ll have to meet a margin call!  Let&#039;s get this discussion going, though, since not enough people yet understand how to treat Magic cards like securities!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it, but it was just an example.  A better example would have been 2x Koth of the Hammer (in 3 weeks) for a Jace, TMS now.</p>
<p>The &#8220;book&#8221; value is -15.00 on the Jace side, but you&#8217;re buying the use of 85.00 for 3 weeks (which can then be leveraged to trade-up and -get- the Koths when they debut, ideally at a lower price.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s basically a form of trading &#8220;on margin&#8221; (not to be confused with profit margin), where you basically play with someone else&#8217;s money for a nominal fee.  The problem is that if you make a bad choice (Jace tanks or Koth spikes), you&#8217;ll have to meet a margin call!  Let&#8217;s get this discussion going, though, since not enough people yet understand how to treat Magic cards like securities!</p>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 05:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i dont think anyone would agree too that would they? the jace for 2 opals]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think anyone would agree too that would they? the jace for 2 opals</p>
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